{ "guild": { "id": "1361349522684510449", "name": "wafer.space Community", "iconUrl": "2026-07_media/fb143eaa45770cbb40493d09b625e98b-09FD1.png" }, "channel": { "id": "1525667356469231717", "type": "GuildPublicThread", "categoryId": "1361349523724570941", "category": "general", "name": "featherlane-PEX", "topic": null }, "dateRange": { "after": "2026-06-30T23:59:59.999+00:00", "before": "2026-08-01T00:00:00+00:00" }, "exportedAt": "2026-07-31T21:46:32.0309219+00:00", "messages": [ { "id": "1525667363998138420", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T00:57:25.106+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "the big one is up to \"Extracting VSS\" now.", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525674372461760593", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T01:25:16.054+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "yeah so that's definitely not the linear solver I want to use with that behavior.... _I think ?_", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [ { "id": "1525674372352704634", "url": "2026-07_media/Xyce_log_2026-07-12T00_33_4400_00-2D05C.cat", "fileName": "Xyce_log_2026-07-12T00_33_4400_00.cat", "fileSizeBytes": 24825 } ], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525674418272075806", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T01:25:26.976+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [ { "id": "1525674417697460355", "url": "2026-07_media/tb_fl_mcpu32.xyce-25C34.prn", "fileName": "tb_fl_mcpu32.xyce.prn", "fileSizeBytes": 1371 } ], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525678538252882061", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T01:41:49.256+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "@Tholin results", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1525674418272075806", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525678733791465522", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T01:42:35.876+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "If you have amendments to this file, now's the time, to get results before sleepy time.", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [ { "id": "1525678733506121728", "url": "2026-07_media/tb_fl_mcpu32_currents_v2-17849.xyce", "fileName": "tb_fl_mcpu32_currents_v2.xyce", "fileSizeBytes": 4457 } ], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525681631518789663", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T01:54:06.748+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "on second thought, I'm gonna take the scarce hours of cold to sleep sooner than later, not gonna be that long anyways, and afterwards the big circuit should maybe be done.", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525681785399152710", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T01:54:43.436+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "(done extracting, that is)", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525914472328462376", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T17:19:20.323+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "@Tholin errrrr, this got 87 mA?", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [ { "id": "1525914471619494061", "url": "2026-07_media/tb_fl_mcpu32_currents_v2.xyce-4A72A.prn", "fileName": "tb_fl_mcpu32_currents_v2.xyce.prn", "fileSizeBytes": 2165 } ], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525914742798159882", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T17:20:24.808+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Oh", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525914887539396769", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T17:20:59.317+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I wonder if its because the latches have initialized into a metastable state", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525915007492030544", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T17:21:27.916+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "87 mA doesn\u2019t feel like a short", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525915159053336697", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T17:22:04.051+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I wish I could simulate a few clock cycles", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525915237596008549", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T17:22:22.777+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "The best thing I can suggest for a DC analysis is pulling clk_n high", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525915798005092463", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T17:24:36.389+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "it should be solving until they stabilize; I'm running with the other solver from earlier again to check though.", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1525914887539396769", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525915872651116635", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T17:24:54.186+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Feel free to compare the voltages between the two `.prn` files to see if they may be meaningfully different.", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525916767824777286", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T17:28:27.612+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Feel free to edit this into a smol testbench for that; think about `MINTIMESTEPSBP` and the tolerance tunables please to dial in a minimum of actually to-be-taken timesteps that would still be expected to give meaningful results.\nA full nonlin solve there didn't take _thaaaat_ long:\n```\n***** Solution Summary *****\n Number Successful Steps Taken: 1\n Number Failed Steps Attempted: 0\n Number Jacobians Evaluated: 362\n Number Linear Solves: 362\n Number Failed Linear Solves: 0\n Number Linear Solver Iterations: 70583\n Number Residual Evaluations: 373\n Number Nonlinear Convergence Failures: 0\n Total Residual Load Time: 78.2002 seconds\n Total Jacobian Load Time: 61.0558 seconds\n Total Linear Solution Time: 1952.14 seconds\n\n\n***** Total Simulation Solvers Run Time: 2152.39 seconds\n***** Total Elapsed Run Time: 2247.1 seconds\n*****\n```", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [ { "id": "1525916767472451745", "url": "2026-07_media/tb_fl_mcpu32_currents_v3.2-2A9A5.xyce", "fileName": "tb_fl_mcpu32_currents_v3.2.xyce", "fileSizeBytes": 4449 } ], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1525915159053336697", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525917496098558052", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T17:31:21.246+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I\u2019m not sure if there are any syntax differences with xyce", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525918360762712076", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T17:34:47.398+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "But, in theory, all you need to do is update the beginning of the input stimulus section to\n```\n*** 5. INPUT STIMULUS ***\nV_clk clk VSS PULSE( 0 3.3 0 0.1ns 0.1ns 50ns 200ns )\nV_clk_n clk_n VSS PULSE( 0 3.3 100ns 0.1ns 0.1ns 50ns 200ns )\nV_rst_n rst_n VSS PULSE( 0 3.3 375ns 0.1ns 0.1ns 5us 6us )\nV_rst_override_n rst_override_n VSS PULSE( 0 3.3 375ns 0.1ns 0.1ns 5us 6us )\n```\nAnd then run that for a few clock cycles and observe the outputs. This is set up for a 5us long run.", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525918458846384168", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T17:35:10.783+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I tried this in ngspice and it just never even started", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525924727342764082", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T18:00:05.309+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "feel free to check; notably btw. I've thought you _might_ want to use `.option timeint ERROPTION=1` to explicitly **not** use the classic SPICE \"local truncation error\", but instead just adjust step size based on how many newton (or whatever nonlinear solver was selected) iterations it took to turn the predictor's (the trapezoidal/backwards-euler/2nd-order-gear time integration forward-model) estimate of the solution variable's values (e.g. node voltages and a bunch of (internal) port currents) into a new solution that is newly compliant with all the non-linear device interaction models up to the configured tolerances (absolute, relative, and what the scale reference is for \"relative\"; sadly AFAIK there's no straight-forward way to distinguish between current and voltage quantities for that config option, which would be IMO fairly relevant for abstol as e.g. tolerance better than like a single millivolt is probably not required for this type of circuit if one wants to check against DOA and isn't trying to do fancy calibration stuff; also not to forget update-norm and unweighted l2-norm of the residual which are also tunables for deeming the nonlinear solve \"sufficciently converged\").", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [ { "id": "1525924726810083559", "url": "2026-07_media/Xyce_UG_2-87380.pdf", "fileName": "Xyce_UG_2.pdf", "fileSizeBytes": 10068931 }, { "id": "1525924727078785235", "url": "2026-07_media/Xyce_RG_1-1002B.pdf", "fileName": "Xyce_RG_1.pdf", "fileSizeBytes": 3612556 } ], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1525917496098558052", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525926691137130597", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T18:07:53.514+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I can mint you a rawfile that you can use with the xschem-integrated viewer. I'd suggest you take a single standard cell from your library, let me run it through the PEX extractor script, and let me hand you a starter-pack Xyce testbench for it (half machine-generated per your wishes as to the excitation pattern for it, but then substantially manually checked by me for not being broken and actually tested), if you want.\n\nAlso, if you can generate me a `.gds` flattened as much as this and with no stray labels littered around, you are then allowed to _have labels on internal nets of interest_ or I'd guess there would be some way from the LVS machinery to slap semantically meaningful labels on nets and/or devices.\nI'll see to get a `.nodeset`-based initial conditions dump next run which should make it much faster to jump in and test things.", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [ { "id": "1525926691078279228", "url": "2026-07_media/fl_mcpu32_flattened_only_m4_labels-2D116.gds", "fileName": "fl_mcpu32_flattened_only_m4_labels.gds", "fileSizeBytes": 45674378 } ], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1525918360762712076", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525955999708745929", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T20:04:21.222+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Hold on, I\u2019m trying again with ngspice", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [ { "id": "1525955999624593499", "url": "2026-07_media/image-23F6F.png", "fileName": "image.png", "fileSizeBytes": 32808 } ], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525956119338422272", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T20:04:49.744+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I flattened the layout in magic before extracting it, maybe that helps", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525961079094644816", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T20:24:32.242+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "It did it!", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525961156496195734", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T20:24:50.696+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "And oh man am I happy I tested this because there is a breaking bug in the RTL that I see now", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525967490604073071", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T20:50:00.865+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I also see the 87mA static current consumption. Not sure what\u2019s up with that.", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525976551269863454", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T21:26:01.096+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I ran a simulation on a LibreLane generated layout. Less standard cells in it, but still had a ~9mA static current consumption.", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525976698632273920", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T21:26:36.23+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Possible that its an issue with my SCL? Or the 3.3V FETs have that much of a leakage current?", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525976857810571415", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T21:27:14.181+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Because it roughly scales up to the 87mA consumption by standard cell count", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525982137805705387", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T21:48:13.03+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Cursed spice deck just containing 3000 buff_16s with the input tied low seems to suggest leakage", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525983162079907890", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T21:52:17.236+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Whoa! what the hell? It freaks the hell out if I instantiate 4000 fillcap cells!", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [ { "id": "1525983161777913896", "url": "2026-07_media/image-5BFE2.png", "fileName": "image.png", "fileSizeBytes": 12926 } ], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525983307018272939", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T21:52:51.792+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I guess its the inrush?", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525983319177826384", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T21:52:54.691+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "It crashed, btw", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525983350550958234", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T21:53:02.171+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "It was supposed to run for much longer", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525983693452218498", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T21:54:23.925+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I also noticed that well tap cells extract into.... nothing. Like, empty spice file. So, what exactly is energizing the wells during these simulations, then?", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525989310334242994", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T22:16:43.094+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I don\u2019t think I have the time to figure out why the static current consumption on my SCL is so high", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525989342181593089", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T22:16:50.687+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I\u2019m just going to have to tape out and pray", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525991699430772818", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T22:26:12.699+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "> . The P(*) and W(*) wildcards are supported for analysis\n> modes (TRAN and DC) that support power calculations.\nYAY", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525997090541666395", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T22:47:38.04+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Not sure how to approach this. If it is one specific cell that is at fault, it might be somewhat difficult to find.", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525997115132612879", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T22:47:43.903+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I'm back on the settings that did the fast results.", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1525989310334242994", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525997248482246836", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T22:48:15.696+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I\u2019m going to leave my computer running overnight to see if I can get a analysis done on a extract with parasitics", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525997368015585311", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T22:48:44.195+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Going by earlier processing speed, we should have info in about 30~40 minutes which extracted device(s) are to blame for the power dissipation.", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1525997090541666395", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525997425892917359", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T22:48:57.994+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I'm not doing transient here btw.", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525997522479218738", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T22:49:21.022+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Can you share the testbench spice?", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1525997248482246836", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525997755330203739", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T22:50:16.538+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "And/or that for this mentioned smaller/\"more minimized\" SCL-bug-reproducer?", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1525976551269863454", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525998210466975744", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T22:52:05.051+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I just extracted with\n`extract all;ext2sim labels on;ext2sim;extresist tolerance 10;extresist;ext2spice lvs;ext2spice cthresh 0;ext2spice extresist on;ext2spice;`", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525998672733671474", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T22:53:55.264+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "This seems to pull 7.5mA static", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [ { "id": "1525998672448590015", "url": "2026-07_media/secret_message-E9EAA.gds", "fileName": "secret_message.gds", "fileSizeBytes": 1530152 } ], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1525999237547036854", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T22:56:09.926+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Inputs low", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526004678813421608", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T23:17:47.225+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Here ya go!", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [ { "id": "1526004677534027949", "url": "2026-07_media/tb_fl_mcpu32_currents_v4.xyce-8C1B3.ic", "fileName": "tb_fl_mcpu32_currents_v4.xyce.ic", "fileSizeBytes": 11461450 }, { "id": "1526004677781487918", "url": "2026-07_media/tb_fl_mcpu32_currents_v4.xyce-D39CC.powers", "fileName": "tb_fl_mcpu32_currents_v4.xyce.powers", "fileSizeBytes": 21710777 }, { "id": 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"isPinned": false, "content": "I decided to be funny and re-run the flow of secret_message with all logic cells disabled in my SCL except NAND and NOT", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526005334077079743", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T23:20:23.452+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "And that made it WORSE", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526005366951772260", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T23:20:31.29+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "7.5mA static to 12mA static", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526005410648293426", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T23:20:41.708+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Corresponding roughly to the increase in the number of transistors", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526005423759691969", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T23:20:44.834+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "This feels like leakage", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526005675585704058", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T23:21:44.874+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I mean, I guess?", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1526005423759691969", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526005802572316685", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T23:22:15.15+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "And if that's the case, this sounds like runaway self-heating waiting to happen.", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526005970847924326", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T23:22:55.27+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "As I said, I\u2019m going to have to just tape out and hope", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526006133381267619", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T23:23:34.021+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "re-running with the other possibly-easier-to-digest print formats active for the power print line", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526006191904522323", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-12T23:23:47.974+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "(using the initial conditions file created)", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526029143496458401", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T00:55:00.06+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I did an extraction with resistors and it now idles at 1.9mA instead of 12mA", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526031370130821132", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T01:03:50.931+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "\"with resistors\"? as opposed to including capacitors, or what?", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], 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"2026-07_media/tb_fl_mcpu32_currents_v4.xyce.ascii-F9368.raw" }, { "id": "1526031634212847727", "url": "2026-07_media/tb_fl_mcpu32_currents_v4.xyce.powers-ED43D.csv", "fileName": "tb_fl_mcpu32_currents_v4.xyce.powers.csv", "fileSizeBytes": 17325493 } ], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526031658829090947", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T01:04:59.762+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "one of the \"powers\" should be fairly easy to wrangle into a comfy table", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526031902216290345", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T01:05:57.79+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Oh, I\u2019ve been doing only transistors so far", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526032199504105653", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T01:07:08.669+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "oh, I've been doing full PEX", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526032283751026940", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T01:07:28.755+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "```\n***** Device Count Summary ...\n C level 1 (Capacitor) 280984\n D level 1,2 (Diode) 9694\n M level 14 (BSIM4) 44848\n R level 1 (Resistor) 267528\n V level 1 (Independent Voltage Source) 22\n ---------------------------------------------\n Total Devices 603076\n***** Setting up matrix structure...\n***** Number of Unknowns = 292543\n***** Initializing...\n\n\nAnalyzed Singleton Problem:\n---------------------------\nSingletons Detected!\nNum Singletons: 44\n---------------------------\n\n\nConstructedSingleton Problem:\n---------------------------\nRatioOfDimensions: 0.99985\nRatioOfNonzeros: 0.765899\n---------------------------\n\nZOLTAN Load balancing method = 10 (HYPERGRAPH)\n\n***** Solution Summary *****\n Number Successful Steps Taken: 1\n Number Failed Steps Attempted: 0\n Number Jacobians Evaluated: 558\n Number Linear Solves: 558\n Number Failed Linear Solves: 0\n Number Linear Solver Iterations: 69386\n Number Residual Evaluations: 571\n Number Nonlinear Convergence Failures: 0\n Total Residual Load Time: 103.587 seconds\n Total Jacobian Load Time: 104.901 seconds\n Total Linear Solution Time: 2080.07 seconds\n\n\n***** Total Simulation Solvers Run Time: 2370.69 seconds\n***** Total Elapsed Run Time: 2547.76 seconds\n*****\n***** End of Xyce(TM) Simulation\n*****\n```", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526032426357493942", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T01:08:02.755+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "(turns out, loading from `.nodeset`'s doesn't make it faster; it takes almost twice as long instead... maybe only +50% time)", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526186454827405362", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T11:20:06.004+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "According to the PDK docs, the 3.3V PFETs have twice the subthreshold current than 5V PFETs. And the NFETs have 10 times the subthreshold current!", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526187044886417470", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T11:22:26.685+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "So they seem to leak a lot more...", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526203632683454535", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T12:28:21.524+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I put together a spice bench that is just 256 buff_4 cells back-to-back and a pulse signal source that is low for 500ns, then goes high and stays there for 11us and **good lord what is happening in there?**", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [ { "id": "1526203632410689676", "url": "2026-07_media/image-FCDEA.png", "fileName": "image.png", "fileSizeBytes": 18068 } ], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526308937102655648", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T19:26:48.054+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Share; I wanna feed it to Xyce.", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1526203632683454535", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526309525106200657", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T19:29:08.245+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "(in a couple hours tho; I'm not home rn)", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526310368954290207", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T19:32:29.434+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Have you tried/considered longer channels?\n\nAre any of the `_dss` construction perhaps able to squeeze into at least some of your cells and perhaps be less-leaky?", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1526187044886417470", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526310726187352157", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T19:33:54.605+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "....and/or could it be that this is better run with `VDD << 3.3V` assuming it's indeed due to DIBL?", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526319538856001537", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T20:08:55.709+00:00", "timestampEdited": "2026-07-13T20:09:02.423+00:00", "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "@Tholin ......\nI know I know, \"AI bad\", etc.; but I didn't spend substantial time promoting here, and these numbers look _seriously **sus**_ to me with `less` and `rg` as well....\nWould be great if you could by chance confirm this clock \"phasing\" to be liable for severe power draw.\n\nAnd if you'd perhaps be so kind as to make us a `_v5.xyce` by adjusting the inputs, I'd even fast-track that through Xyce over Mosh (remote shell).\nhttps://chatgpt.com/s/t_6a5543dabbc88191a1d7f6b3f8919000", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [ { "title": "Schau dir diesen Chat an", "url": "https://chatgpt.com/s/t_6a5543dabbc88191a1d7f6b3f8919000", "timestamp": null, "description": "Jemand dachte, dieser Chat w\u00e4re was f\u00fcr dich.", "thumbnail": { "url": "2026-07_media/ogimg.chatgpt-1B62B.com", "width": 1200, "height": 630 }, "images": [], "fields": [], "inlineEmojis": [] } ], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1526004678813421608", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526326707726844015", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T20:37:24.901+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "....\nhttps://chatgpt.com/s/t_6a554c25a3288191b3b16d66ef7800db\n\nWhy do you have hundreds of diode-connected NMOS.....", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [ { "title": "Schau dir diesen Chat an", "url": "https://chatgpt.com/s/t_6a554c25a3288191b3b16d66ef7800db", "timestamp": null, "description": "Jemand dachte, dieser Chat w\u00e4re was f\u00fcr dich.", "thumbnail": { "url": "2026-07_media/ogimg.chatgpt-E66FC.com", "width": 1200, "height": 630 }, "images": [], "fields": [], "inlineEmojis": [] } ], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526327566728826890", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T20:40:49.703+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Like I know they have some purposes but I don't think they have any reason to exist in that netlist....", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526328125057925242", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T20:43:02.819+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "You mean the antenna diodes?", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526330199296442458", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T20:51:17.356+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Those shouldn't involve `poly2 on comp`, though?", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1526328125057925242", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526330597306273995", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T20:52:52.249+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Oh, its probably seeing the decoupling capacitors", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526338945405816974", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T21:26:02.591+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "_those account for on the order of 80% of the current draw_", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1526330597306273995", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526339616028889279", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T21:28:42.48+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I've got it to fix me up an evolved extractor script that is supposed to spit out coordinates mapped to the identifiers in SPICE; if the spice identifiers remained the same I likely have \"coordinates of blame\" in a couple minutes; if not it'll take about an hour from now to repeat all the analysis processing to find the offenders again.", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526340266959573112", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T21:31:17.674+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "This is the decap cell. It uses the gate capacitance of two FETs as a decoupling capacitor.", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [ { "id": "1526340266611708064", "url": "2026-07_media/image-901C0.png", "fileName": "image.png", "fileSizeBytes": 7624 } ], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526343605944455218", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T21:44:33.75+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Yeah that looks fine.\n\nI'll know soon.", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1526340266959573112", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526348715206377594", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T22:04:51.893+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Check the net at `x 48500 y 3484` (database units) for mcpu32; there should be a w/l 1.0/0.28 nfet with one diffusion to VSS and the other diffusion somehow resistance-extraction tied to it's gate.", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526350593407455343", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T22:12:19.691+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Net tracing suggests the voltage is supplied by three pfet fingers of `w/l: 1.38/0.28` who's gates are driven by `din[15]`.", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526352436548079777", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T22:19:39.13+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [ { "id": "1526352436237697034", "url": "2026-07_media/image-E98D2.png", "fileName": "image.png", "fileSizeBytes": 1621624 } ], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526356539882078299", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T22:35:57.441+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "?", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1526352436548079777", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526356790663577821", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T22:36:57.232+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "That\u2019s the area in question, roughly", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526356808774717491", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T22:37:01.55+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Its in that cell somewhere", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526356975338918108", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T22:37:41.262+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Its one of the input buffers", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526357022310666350", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T22:37:52.461+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Look what pfet gates `din[15]` connects to.", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1526356808774717491", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526357122676162560", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T22:38:16.39+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "That would be these", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [ { "id": "1526357122282029137", "url": "2026-07_media/image-EABB8.png", "fileName": "image.png", "fileSizeBytes": 1886507 } ], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526357407859478730", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T22:39:24.383+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "The drains if them, just so simple \"trace single net\", and it should highlight you (not only, maybe, but certainly not missing) the diode-connected nfet as that very nfet gate is tied to those pfet drains.", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, 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"timestamp": "2026-07-13T22:40:51.517+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Be back in 5 minutes!", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526359378725179524", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T22:47:14.274+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Can you look at my annotated screenshot/excerpt of this image and explain?", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1526357122676162560", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526360668826108125", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T22:52:21.858+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "OH NO!", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [ { "id": "1526360668490698903", "url": "2026-07_media/image-75EB3.png", "fileName": "image.png", "fileSizeBytes": 1811620 } ], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526361006748467312", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T22:53:42.425+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Well the current doesn't come from that VSS, it comes from the 3 pfet's.", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1526360668826108125", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526361047550922933", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T22:53:52.153+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Same loop exists on both sides", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526361145265491988", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T22:54:15.45+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "You have spice based timing extraction for your SCL set up, right?", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526361213401960528", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T22:54:31.695+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Yeah that's even worse \ud83d\ude04", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1526361047550922933", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [ { "id": "", "name": "\ud83d\ude04", "code": "smile", "isAnimated": false, "imageUrl": "2026-07_media/1f604-BF863.svg" } ] }, { "id": "1526361461126074468", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T22:55:30.757+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Speedrunning a fix. Will go dark while I lock the fuck in.", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526361712817602650", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T22:56:30.765+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Could you amend the configured measurements to include supply current, and flag anything that smells like more than subthreshold leakage during any of the \"static\" moments during the stimuli?", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "reference": { "messageId": "1526361145265491988", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526361912751951874", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T22:57:18.433+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "If you lack compute, hand me a self contained nix runner.", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526362245339287753", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T22:58:37.728+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "You mentioned suspicious behavior for `NAND` and `NOT` .\n\nThis is highly concerning.", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1526005316523655198", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526371337462091867", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T23:34:45.459+00:00", "timestampEdited": "2026-07-13T23:34:52.056+00:00", "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I'm a little surprised/confused your nand4_2 wires the nmos intermediate nets around instead of doing what the 7-track foundry 5V nand4_2 did (a 4-finger nmos with no contacts etween fingers on the left, one on the right, and alternating between VDD contacts and output-m1-collector-snake-contacts on the pmos side.\nhttps://gf180mcu-pdk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/digital/standard_cells/gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0/cells/nand4/gf180mcu_fd_sc_mcu7t5v0__nand4_2.html", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526373113913282670", "type": "Reply", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T23:41:48.998+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Don't forget `clkbuf_8`!", "author": { "id": "262706220073222144", "name": "namibj", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "namibj", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/f885abc0dddd0a33e4d4991b3c99091d-7ACD2.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [ { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" } ], "reference": { "messageId": "1526361461126074468", "channelId": "1525667356469231717", "guildId": "1361349522684510449" }, "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526373191600181501", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-13T23:42:07.52+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I didn\u2019t", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526549443229519893", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-14T11:22:29.183+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Well this is exciting. Good find! Was it just the (clk)buff_8? Have you checked that the simulated power consumption is normal on a large design with this fixed?", "author": { "id": "691780627338625077", "name": "rebelmike", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "RebelMike", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/49aaff687e56f04e7bbdedf0077bab75-7DDB4.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526554250946023576", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-14T11:41:35.432+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I still get a few mA of static power consumption that oscillates up and down, but I even get that with the fab 5V SCL. Possible extraction or simulation issue?", "author": { "id": "220639106915368960", "name": "tholin", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "Tholin", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/edae5aadf146133e0448bfb1f0fa91c4-62B19.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526555494255300758", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-14T11:46:31.86+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "Cool, I\u2019ll get my designs rebuilt when I get a chance!", "author": { "id": "691780627338625077", "name": "rebelmike", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "RebelMike", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/49aaff687e56f04e7bbdedf0077bab75-7DDB4.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] }, { "id": "1526555699075743764", "type": "Default", "timestamp": "2026-07-14T11:47:20.693+00:00", "timestampEdited": null, "callEndedTimestamp": null, "isPinned": false, "content": "I probably should have tried a spice sim with my designs. As ever I\u2019ve been a bit split between lots of different projects", "author": { "id": "691780627338625077", "name": "rebelmike", "discriminator": "0000", "nickname": "RebelMike", "color": null, "isBot": false, "roles": [], "avatarUrl": "2026-07_media/49aaff687e56f04e7bbdedf0077bab75-7DDB4.png" }, "attachments": [], "embeds": [], "stickers": [], "reactions": [], "mentions": [], "inlineEmojis": [] } ], "messageCount": 113 }