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      "content": "Thanks we do have an SRAM macro in there and I wonder if that’s what’s causing some of our issues. I will note it is routable and we get a GDS, it just takes an obscenely long time to create",
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      "content": "Do you see any obvious congestion in the gds?",
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      "content": "Waiting for a file transfer of the final report but in summary I think you’re on to something, probably to do with the SRAM macro:\n\n>     Dense SRAM macro grid. The current report has 39 SRAM macros consuming 4.48365 mm²; total core payload is 8.23514 / 12.90200 mm², about 64% including macros. In macros_3v3.yaml⁠, SRAM columns at x=1040 and x=1380 are only about 38.7 µm apart after subtracting the 301.3 µm SRAM width.",
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      "content": "Alright then thank you",
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      "content": "transistors or cells ?",
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