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      "content": "I saw a post on CrowdSupply about the different packaging considerations that were evaluated. The design I'm targeting requires 100+ pins, so I can't go with the wire-bonded package. Does anyone have resources on companies that I could get in touch with to get some early quotes? I've taped out through my university, which has had lots of resources, but this is the first one solo, so I don't have much direction on where to look. I'm trying to get a rough price estimate before the design is sent off. Any help is greatly appriciated!",
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      "content": "What qty ?",
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      "content": "It's a different thing to package 10 samples vs all 1000 dies.",
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      "content": "This was for QFN64 but some prices I got were :\nLow qty (~10) : 400 EUR setup + 150 EUR per piece\nLarger qty (>=100) : 4kEUR setup + 15 eur per piece.\n\nThat's a ballpartk of course. Might be a bit higher with more pins.",
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      "content": "50-100 to start, but the ability to repackage later is ideal. It sounds like the upfront setup might be better.",
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      "content": "That\u2019s pretty steep for low qty. After just two or three prototype runs, it\u2019d be more economical to get your own wire bonder and do DIY COB.",
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      "content": "Did you find a source for not horribly expensive wire bonders ? \ud83d\ude05",
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      "content": "Going by what others got theirs for",
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      "content": "Another datapoint - Two years ago I asked Integra for a quote for 250 QFN-64 packaging, they quoted me $6k.",
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      "content": "@urish Wow, that's nearly the cost of the tapeout itself! I knew custom packaging was going to be expensive, but this is much higher than I thought.",
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      "content": "Makes sense. It seems like you bite the bullet with extremly low volume (10-30) which is typical for MPW runs, but it's ok since it's such a low volume. Sounds like 1000 chips doesn't really have a place right now so I do hope this will disrupt the market!",
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      "content": "~$3,000 for 1000 chips is still incredible, especially when compared to some of the prices thrown out above.",
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